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pjs65 wrote:
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I'd actually jumped on your thread to see if you knew which of the Toyota sprints you were doing as i'm up for doing it with you. Do you think you'll still be doing it?
I don't think i will be able to do any of the TSS because iam going to change the engine and that will need running in , at a guess i would say 3 months before its running again . I have a new engine block coming next week and then i need to order a new crank , rod's and piston assembly , and if thats not enough iam changing to diff ratio rerouting the exhaust and rewiring the engine bay . I have some crazy idea that this will be done in 3months and will have 50% more grunt and 10% less gear , should be fun .

yeah thought that would be the case. Shame, it's sods law timing wise for you at the start of the season, a bit like my brakes blowing up last year. Still, as already mentioned, 50% more power will see the old Camaro putting a huge grin on your face so well worth it long term. Good luck and look forward to the updates

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Bit of a slow start on the revamp but i have managed to weld up the holes where the heater box and fan went ,just needs smoothing over and painting .
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I have some new parts .
Box of bits which include an electric fuel pump , set of 3.42 rear gears and bearings plus some metric wheel studs to replace the standard imperial ones.
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Also have a brand new block , only weights 185 poundshttp://bigpower.co.uk/phpBB3/posting.php?mode=reply&f=62&t=19832#
All i need to do is decide how much crank stroke to stuff into it .
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I hope to have the rear gears swopped over this weekend although its slow going as i need to set the gears in the right place . I need to shim the pinion gear , assemble the whole lot , check the gear mesh and measure the backlash and then pull it apart to change the shims . Hopefully i can close on the first attempt as removing interferance fit bearings without trashing them is a right ball ache , its not a job i can hurry . Pete
ps are the smilies i put on visible as i can only see a line of code .

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Save them until you have completed that job, it sounds hellish
Good luck
And the new block looks lovely, I'd quite happily have one in a glass box in the front room at home on display

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Sounds like you've got a busy weekend, good luck with the build. I have to agree with Trev that block is more of a work of art than something to be thrashed around a track :driving:
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Wow, Pete, hardcore :)

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Ben wrote:Wow, Pete, hardcore :)
I like to think of it as being more track friendly . I have been checking out your Scooby build as i want to get mine going again , its been sitting in the drive for too long . I have ordered a new battery and i was looking at your 4 pot brake upgrade as mine have turned to rust . Pete

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I have changed the rear gears from 3.08 down to 3.42 , this is a reduction of 10% in speed terms . I didn't think i would need to be doing or more likely be able to reach 170mph so its now down to a mere 152mph . Thats all in 5th but as the v8 has so much torque i only use up to 4th anyway which means 124mph instead of 138mph , with the bigger motor i might use 5th on longer straights but as it is at the moment the 3.08 is way to tall . Here are some pictures of the gear swop
This is with the new gears being fitted to the old case .First thing is to get the pinion gear set at the right depth in the case , on the back the depth from the back of the pinion to the diff centerline is etch on and is the figure used when the gears are lapped at the factory
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I know from doing this before that between a 30 to 40 thou shim is whats needed between the bearing and bearing seat . so i try it at 35thou
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As i was lucky this time 35 thou was spot on and i got the depth as marked on the pinion , this is good because getting the interference fit bearing off is a real pain .
The next bit is toput the pinion gear in the case and crank up the pinion nut to pull the bearings on to the pinion and to squash the crush bearing , as iam not built like a brick bog house so this was a bit of hard work . I had to use 2 , 3 foot long bars to crank whole lot up .
This is the pinion showing the outer bearing and crush washer which need to be pulled together , getting the bearing on isn't to bad but once you reach the crush washer it gets a lot tougher
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Once the bearings are seated and there is no play left i had to set the preload on the pinion bearing means cranking some more on the pinion nut , but only small amounts . I was looking to get between 24 and 18 inch pounds . On the first go i eased up to 15 inlbs i cranked a touch more and it went up to 35 inlbs , f*^k f*^k and f*^k , had to pull it apart and put in another crush washer and then crank it all together again . On the next go i got to 18inlbs and left it at that
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That was the tough bit done , fitting the diff and setting the gear lash is alot easier . The gear lash or play needs to be about 6 to 10 thou , so i add or subtract shims from each side of the diff to get that about right . There also needs to be a preload on the diff bearings so once the shim thickness is found to get the preload then you have to keep to that thickness of shims . If you remove from the left side bearing then the same amount is added to the right side . It helps to write down the shim thickness used as swopping them about gets confusing and having to start again is a pain , how did i find that one out .
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At the same time i needed to see how the gears meshed by smearing grease paint on the gears and reading the pattern
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The pattern needs to be more or less centered on the gear , as long as possible and not tapered at the ends . The picture has a slight taper on one end so i changed some of the shims to square off the pattern and taking care to keep within the lash tolerance . I ended up with about 8 to 9 thou lash , so i was happy with that and then bolted it all up
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The last one i did was fine and gave no problems and the oil that came out of the diff looked ok considering its a trackday car , so this one should be fine , eck ! . Pete

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Great report Pete and very technical stuff. Reports like this show just how much work and thought goes into these cars, there's a special kind of satisfaction when you go to this kind of depth and thought in building a track car something you can't get from an out the box package.
Top job, well done :)
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Fair play :thumbs: shims, engineering stuff and gears make me want to curl up in a ball and cry............so far out of my comfort zone with stuff like that! Thoroughly enjoy reading it though :D
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The engineering stuff is my favourite part of working on the car , so iam quite happy doing axle and engine rebuilds . I do struggle with the keeping it tidy part though , but i have been trying to make an effort to do better in that area recently . With the engine being out of the way i have had a go at cleaning up the bulkhead area as its got plenty of Snetterton mud on it , although i need a bit more training to use a tooth brush , it does reach them hard to get to places .
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I have stripped the old motor down but still haven't found where the oil was leaking from , i recon that it was just getting blown out of the seals as the engines old and the rings are worn . The cam is definitely worn as you can see this from looking at the lobs , which are either pitted or starting to round off . The old engine did rattle a bit so the new one will have roller lifters to avoid the sort of cam wear you get with the old type flat tappet cam .
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