yup, sure do....
i got a reply about the "spreader plates",
"the spreaders do not need to be welded - just under the floor and bolted through them."
Still means youve got to drill the floor though really doesnt it!!
Time Attack Club Challenge Rule Discussion
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[quote="Yak"]D'oh, I always took my passenger seat out last year. Meant I had some where comfy to sit in the pits in 
Yeah, you need to drill the floor but spreader plates are 5" SQUARE so that ~2.25" a side ]
There are updated regs on TA website Yak
9.4 All doors, bootlids, bonnets and exterior openings must be serviceable from the outside and the interior
bonnet/boot release must be removed or disabled and all door handles and locking systems must be
available from the exterior.
10.5 Vehicles must have an FIA approved racing seat and slide/mounting for the driver.
(actually this bit is new too - so OE driver seat is out !)
10.6 A passenger seat must also be securely fitted and must have a minimum four point harness attached,
although a five point is recommended. If the standard passenger seat cannot accommodate a four point
harness then an FIA seat must be fitted as per the driver. NOTE: there are two exceptions to this ruling:
1. Vehicles having only two front passenger seats (ie. Lotus Exige) are exempt from this ruling but
must have an item installed in the passenger compartment that could not be installed elsewhere on
the vehicle. 2. Vehicles with more than two seats that require an item to be installed within the front
passenger compartment must contact Time Attack technical for installation clarification.
10.7 Harnesses
Yeah, you need to drill the floor but spreader plates are 5" SQUARE so that ~2.25" a side ]
There are updated regs on TA website Yak
9.4 All doors, bootlids, bonnets and exterior openings must be serviceable from the outside and the interior
bonnet/boot release must be removed or disabled and all door handles and locking systems must be
available from the exterior.
10.5 Vehicles must have an FIA approved racing seat and slide/mounting for the driver.
(actually this bit is new too - so OE driver seat is out !)
10.6 A passenger seat must also be securely fitted and must have a minimum four point harness attached,
although a five point is recommended. If the standard passenger seat cannot accommodate a four point
harness then an FIA seat must be fitted as per the driver. NOTE: there are two exceptions to this ruling:
1. Vehicles having only two front passenger seats (ie. Lotus Exige) are exempt from this ruling but
must have an item installed in the passenger compartment that could not be installed elsewhere on
the vehicle. 2. Vehicles with more than two seats that require an item to be installed within the front
passenger compartment must contact Time Attack technical for installation clarification.
10.7 Harnesses
Another Scrutineer response
n my question about bonnet / boot pins:
On my question re using OE seat rail fixings:the logic is to allow the boot to be opened without having to access the inside of the car in a crisis mainly fire. If the boot is clear of sources of ignition (- battery, or anything with fuel in it - tanks, pipes, pumps or swirl pots) this rule can be waived as there would be no need for access.So a totally empty boot is ok
I am getting the feeling that things will be reasonably 'flexible' at the first event or until it settles down.I can see the problem with the harness mounts -this was brought in as last year there were some harnesses bolted to pretty flexible seat runners - i think the realistic answer is that in a genuine road going car, make sure the seat rail bolts are well up to the job and with the spreaders it would be ok to double up on a couple of the bolts. Its preferable to have the mountings seperate but i can appreciate the difficulty.Alternatively if a slightly smaller spreader would do it then that could be the answer. Dont forget the spreader is bolted below the floow and does not need to be square a longer/thinner plate may help.
Failing that can the underside of the OEM belt mounts be accessed? maybe drill these and bolt through with a smaller spreader?
Ahhh, oops. Did they send out another email about the changes?
They are reasonably sensible about the regs if you ask about them. They just dont want to see people competing in dangerous cars.
Id only just got a 4 point non FIA harness last year so asked it it would be OK... and was allowed to compete for the rest of the year using it as it a decent if not FIA spec one.
They are reasonably sensible about the regs if you ask about them. They just dont want to see people competing in dangerous cars.
Id only just got a 4 point non FIA harness last year so asked it it would be OK... and was allowed to compete for the rest of the year using it as it a decent if not FIA spec one.
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OK.... here goes....
I'm totally P*ssed off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There was no metion of any of this in the origional regs....
Bonet pins etc. were only for thoes with carbon fibre bonnets etc.
The racing harness made no reference to the mounting positions....
Whats wrong with the OEM seat fixing points. They spend lots of time developing the strength of the car with these points designed to take the full load of an occupant. now we have to bodge our own fixing points and hope they will survive in the event of a crash and that that point doesn't happen to be a fold line of the vehicle!!!!!!!!
In addition the club class is meant to be a road going road legal car. With all these changes, it's not much of a road going car anymore... can't see me using it much when i have to have holes in the floor pouring water in if i take my harness off. or the seat in the back becomes non usable.
Not to mention that these changes were made after booking and paying for the event.....
What the HELL!!!!!!! :x
I'm totally P*ssed off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There was no metion of any of this in the origional regs....
Bonet pins etc. were only for thoes with carbon fibre bonnets etc.
The racing harness made no reference to the mounting positions....
Whats wrong with the OEM seat fixing points. They spend lots of time developing the strength of the car with these points designed to take the full load of an occupant. now we have to bodge our own fixing points and hope they will survive in the event of a crash and that that point doesn't happen to be a fold line of the vehicle!!!!!!!!
In addition the club class is meant to be a road going road legal car. With all these changes, it's not much of a road going car anymore... can't see me using it much when i have to have holes in the floor pouring water in if i take my harness off. or the seat in the back becomes non usable.
Not to mention that these changes were made after booking and paying for the event.....
What the HELL!!!!!!! :x
Take regular exercise, walk to you car!
Mike - the OE seat rail seat belt mounting points will be acceptable, as will the rear seat belt points.
Clip in 4 point harnesses will leave the mounting bolts in the floor/rear so no holes will be there.
The bonnet pins are a pain but I was going to do this anyway as I have had the bonnet on mine pop up before and I dont fancy that on track.
Boot pins are not compulsory if there is nothing in the boot, ie swirl pots/pumps etc.
Harnesses dont need to be FIA approved - just SFI
Clip in 4 point harnesses will leave the mounting bolts in the floor/rear so no holes will be there.
The bonnet pins are a pain but I was going to do this anyway as I have had the bonnet on mine pop up before and I dont fancy that on track.
Boot pins are not compulsory if there is nothing in the boot, ie swirl pots/pumps etc.
Harnesses dont need to be FIA approved - just SFI