When is too much power just too much......
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ScoobieWRX
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They used one last year (they were one of the only ones) and won the series.
This year Phil Glew is driving for them again but there are numerous other Pro drivers evening the field out.
The point that stops power increasing is simply the power delivery to ensure that useage of the power fits with what can be done on track.
Most of the quick cars seem to stop around 700-800bhp as above that power tends to be too high in the revs to truly use around the twisty circuits in the TA series. But, given the right circuit I am sure that people would wind the wick up and get quicker times. Silverstone GP circuit would be a perfect example. That same car around Cadwell or Kncokhill would be quite unusable and power delivery would need to be more flexible.
I fully expect that power figures that people will run at Snetterton will be the highest of the season.
This year Phil Glew is driving for them again but there are numerous other Pro drivers evening the field out.
The point that stops power increasing is simply the power delivery to ensure that useage of the power fits with what can be done on track.
Most of the quick cars seem to stop around 700-800bhp as above that power tends to be too high in the revs to truly use around the twisty circuits in the TA series. But, given the right circuit I am sure that people would wind the wick up and get quicker times. Silverstone GP circuit would be a perfect example. That same car around Cadwell or Kncokhill would be quite unusable and power delivery would need to be more flexible.
I fully expect that power figures that people will run at Snetterton will be the highest of the season.
That will make a lovely car Duncan.dynamix wrote:Nothing proven yet but I will get it up on gary's dyno once fully mapped. I am hoping for high 400's.Ross wrote:What power is yours running Duncan?
I fully appreciate that with infinite grip, and lightening reactions, more power is of benefit. However with the kind of machines we are dealing with it is not. Anyone who thinks they can fully deploy 800bhp effectively in a jap box should try it. :P
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What's the laptime difference between a winning touring car and a winning TA pro-class car with more than double the peak power? (valid comparison now that there are a few pro drivers in TA) Anyone know?
The touring car will be on slicks rather than 888's, maybe weighs less and will have had more development time/money spent. But it's faster with much less power, isn't it?
The touring car will be on slicks rather than 888's, maybe weighs less and will have had more development time/money spent. But it's faster with much less power, isn't it?
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I'm looking forward to seeing BigPower cars doing their stuff soon. The great thing is BP cars vary so widely in their power output and handling traits that it's interesting to see how they all do at different cicuits compared to some of the more established and higher expense cars with their superheavy horses.
Hoping that by the end of the series that some BP cars won't be too far off the leaders and with a bit of luck some big surprises to come!!
Hoping that by the end of the series that some BP cars won't be too far off the leaders and with a bit of luck some big surprises to come!!
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I would include rally cars in the mix with a max of 300bhp, lightweight and again, lotsa money spent on them but just as quick if not quicker on tarmac than the bigger bhp TA cars i bet!!Andy916 wrote:What's the laptime difference between a winning touring car and a winning TA pro-class car with more than double the peak power? (valid comparison now that there are a few pro drivers in TA) Anyone know?
The touring car will be on slicks rather than 888's, maybe weighs less and will have had more development time/money spent. But it's faster with much less power, isn't it?
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Im sorry,
Now you really are talking bollox.
PEAK power restriction via a 32mm air restrictor has nothing to do with a comparison to the so called "Time Attack" cars you are referring to. For a start they can generate large amounts of positive boost whilst stationary !!
The point of mentioning formula 1 is that its one of the few classes where engineering can be explored almost to its limit, as they have such large budgets, even then they still have regs imposed that restrict outright performance. Saying that its irrelevent because you're talking about small engined compromised semi road cars that feature in your favourite hobby is a different discussion.
I agree that in the private individuals limited budget real world a little baby 2 litre engine with some humungous great turbo strapped on is going to deliver power like a bitch, but if you could develop that power more useably and have electronic aids of the sophistication that was used in formula one then it overcomes this shortcoming so that more power CAN be used and hence the answer to your question.
And for reference Rons car is a skyline, at the time of TOTB 1 it had around 670-700bhp and of course a powerful car squirms around a bit looking for traction, but if you really think a 400bhp evo would beat it then go ahead and try !!!
I am happy to agree that in our relatively simple world of Toyo888's and Yoko A048's, with our love of Evos, Scoobs and GTRs that a well set up car with around 600bhp at the wheels is probably about the limit of what is useable without needing to be part mongoose, but thats a slightly different question than was asked.
J.
Now you really are talking bollox.
PEAK power restriction via a 32mm air restrictor has nothing to do with a comparison to the so called "Time Attack" cars you are referring to. For a start they can generate large amounts of positive boost whilst stationary !!
The point of mentioning formula 1 is that its one of the few classes where engineering can be explored almost to its limit, as they have such large budgets, even then they still have regs imposed that restrict outright performance. Saying that its irrelevent because you're talking about small engined compromised semi road cars that feature in your favourite hobby is a different discussion.
I agree that in the private individuals limited budget real world a little baby 2 litre engine with some humungous great turbo strapped on is going to deliver power like a bitch, but if you could develop that power more useably and have electronic aids of the sophistication that was used in formula one then it overcomes this shortcoming so that more power CAN be used and hence the answer to your question.
And for reference Rons car is a skyline, at the time of TOTB 1 it had around 670-700bhp and of course a powerful car squirms around a bit looking for traction, but if you really think a 400bhp evo would beat it then go ahead and try !!!
I am happy to agree that in our relatively simple world of Toyo888's and Yoko A048's, with our love of Evos, Scoobs and GTRs that a well set up car with around 600bhp at the wheels is probably about the limit of what is useable without needing to be part mongoose, but thats a slightly different question than was asked.
J.
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