Tom- Impreza wagon project

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Hi Francis, hope all is well with you.

I may have misinterpreted some of what you had said, but
ScoobieWRX wrote: The pistons have to work a bit harder to push exhaust gasses out and that's where the torque comes in. If the engine works a bit harder you are seeing higher engine loads from lower rpms which translates into more torque.
Seems to infer that on the Exhaust stroke, if back pressure is raised, load and torque are increased. The next paragraph seems to infer the same;
ScoobieWRX wrote: 3" exhaust systems let the engine breathe more easily and aid exhaust gas escape so pistons don't have to work so hard to push exhaust gasses out. Great for bhp higher up the scale but not so good for torque. Because the pistons aren't working so hard you see much lower engine loads and in effect make less torque.
That was the false assumption I meant, but admittedly I'm not completely sure what you mean by pistons working hard.

I wasn't referring to the active knock control of the JECS ECU, but
ScoobieWRX wrote:The issue is with the extra air being crammed into the cylinders. You've got to feed that air with fuel otherwise you're going to be running lean. If your ECU isn't mapped to feed enough extra fuel on boost you risk causing Det (knock).
Seems to infer that the ECU needs to be remapped to add extra fuel given an increase in boost. It actually does this automatically and adjusts IDCs to match a given AFR for a given engine load (which is entirely determined by the MAF on pre 96 classics, or the MAP sensor on an ESL MAFless ECU).

Apologies if I did misinterpret what you wrote, but I couldn't see another meaning. I'm also not claiming any authority on this subject, I'd rather see it as debate.

Excellent reference btw, looks like Forced Induction Performance Tuning by Bell, which is pretty much the bible in this sector! I really must get back to work.

BR Mate

Andy


ScoobieWRX wrote:I realise your knowledge on these matters is far superior to the rest of us hence why you do what you do, so i'm always willing to be educated by someone that knows more.

However, I didn't suggest engine load is directly related to back pressure. Engine load is related to airflow and an indicator of how hard the engine's working. I don't think what i wrote suggessted otherwise. I forgot about the restrictor on Group N cars, my bad. Torque is affected by length and width of headers and exhaust. Have i got this wrong?

I didn't infur Torque and load are a direct result of back pressure. Granted peak engine load is directly related to torque, i don't think i've written anything that says different.

When the JECS ECU senses knock i know that it pulls timing however, i thought rightly or wrongly that upon sensing knock it doesn't actually add fuel until it goes into some sort of super limp mode. Equally i realise AFR in JECS is used to measure fuelling, it's the same in newage. I never mentioned IDC's, I'm confused?

We must read some of the same reference materials on exhausts from time to time. Others might find it useful too.

http://www.probe.lv/faili/downloads/pro ... steema.pdf

Thanks for pointing out my errors. It's always useful to know where you're gone wrong :)

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Post by pablo »

Tom is looking nice, keep up the good work. As for mods, tuning etc.

1. Sort out that exhaust
2. Get it checked over and cambelt / water pump change
3. Change the brakes
4. Put fuel in it
5. Get in turn the key and enjoy
6. Do a track day or two
7. Now think about making it quicker

The easiest way, from my point of view, would be to copy 'ol yella', it works it's quick and tried and tested. Job done, and no headache:D

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I think you should rename it to 'Ol Tom' to fit with Russ.

For some strange reason it just conjures up images of waldorf and statler:
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Is that me or the car Gareth :)

Pabs; copying 'ol Yella' would mean three or four laps then having to come in because something has fell off, leaked or blown up :D Not sure that's the role model I need ;)

Monster; sponge shapes all the way :thumbs:

Francis and Andy
I loved that! A proper intelligent debate on 'motaz and tings' right on my own little thread :D I understood very little of it first time around, but will have a read through again later so that I can try and pass some of it off as my knowledge :thumbs:

The further you start to look into cars like this, the more you realise it's an old banger that needs money in all areas :) Not that I mind..........I like the old fella and will enjoy spending appropriate, well chosen money on him :)

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The further you start to look into cars like this, the more you realise it's an old banger that needs money in all areas :) Not that I mind..........I like the old fella and will enjoy spending appropriate, well chosen money on him :)
Doesn't necessarily have to be all areas ... my first Impreza started off with just a boost gauge, a 2.5" Magnex decat downpipe and system and did a Bruntingthorpe handling day within weeks of ownership. It rolled around badly on 50-profile 16" cheap tyres, so it got 17" Rotas (scoobynet group buy, the first of many!), soon followed by coilovers, heavier rear bar and alignment. It did a few more trackdays, with not much more than fresh fully-synth every 2nd trackday. Excess heat killed the 278mm disks and various pads I tried in the front 2-pots so I put a brake kit on the front (then the single pot rears tended to overheat, eating pads). Eventually I stuck a

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stuart wrote:
Pabs; copying 'ol Yella' would mean three or four laps then having to come in because something has fell off, leaked or blown up :D Not sure that's the role model I need ;)
Oi! Bloody cheek!:toetap05: Fell off- No! Blown up - Not as yet! Leaked - Ok, yes the old gal does have an incontinence history!:D

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Love your car really mate.......you know that :) If I can replicate your Ol Yella I will be extremely pleased with myself.

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Mate you know im only pissing about. Yes its recent track records not been that good. Fingers crossed next week will be much better?

Now toms had a few days in "normal" service hows it faring?

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Going well. No real surprises to be honest. The brakes are poor but OK-ish for road use, the exhaust with the baffle is great but restrictive in real terms. No idea where the grip levels are; I simply haven't pushed that hard. I'm still grinning from the noise and poise Russ.
Someone told me that I should get a 'Tan and Stu' sunstrip today so I guess that wasn't a compliment..........ah shucks!! I love the fact that it's not a euro-box and the potential for performance makes me grin.

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stuart wrote: Someone told me that I should get a 'Tan and Stu' sunstrip today so I guess that wasn't a compliment..........ah shucks!!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha :D
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