Bigpower

After reading Mr Denings thoughts on certain methods of measuring crime and the solving of it, it led me to start this thread.

If you had a clean slate, a fresh start, how would YOU try to establish a more common sense approach to law and order? Let's specifically roll this question out regarding the road traffic act and speed related disorders to start with please.

I for one would love to hear the thoughts of James and any memebers of the forum within the Police Force. Obviously if you would prefer I move this to a members section please do not hesitate to ask.

stuartstaples wrote:After reading Mr Denings thoughts on certain methods of measuring crime and the solving of it, it led me to start this thread.

If you had a clean slate, a fresh start, how would YOU try to establish a more common sense approach to law and order? Let's specifically roll this question out regarding the road traffic act and speed related disorders to start with please.

I for one would love to hear the thoughts of James and any memebers of the forum within the Police Force. Obviously if you would prefer I move this to a members section please do not hesitate to ask.

Ah, well. If you're asking.

The first thing is to get rid of the target driven culture within the police force, or at least make the targets sensible. Currently they are measured on crimes detected and solved - so the government's crime figures in The Snu look more palatable. Look - crimes solved up 35%. Once you take out the '12 year old caught riding on the pavement' incidents, the figures are far less palatable. 40% of household burglaries aren't even investigated these days - I find that utterly shocking. If you defraud someone on the internet for less than

1. Speed cameras to place outside schools with a 20 mph sped limit there.
2. New drivers (12 months) prhibited from carring more than 1 passenger (Except familiy members).
3. Minimum speed limit for cars on the motorway. (How often do you see lorries having to pullout to the middle lane due to a car travelling at 50 mph. This in turn forces cars to slow and move to the outside lane. This in turns causes the traffic to slow and back up.
4. 3 points for middle lane hoggers

Just a few things from the top of my head

on jdening's point about MOT i would have to disagree with him,

Lately i went through a slight issue in which when i was sold my last car i was told it had one years MOT. Turns out in fact it was only a few months. yes i am aware it is my fault for not checking)

I was then pulled in norwich as the police just wanted to check my details. I happily gave them all my details etc etc and went on my way, around 7 days later i was pulled again but this time the officer went on to mention that i had no MOT. So car came of the road until it was sorted. Went up to the police station and they did two Reports. When i got court summons through i decided not to attend as i was aware that this was majority my fault. Recieved a fine for it and payed it off.

Then two weeks ago i received another one through and once again i sent of the summons off but then recieved another fine for more than the original fine.

I find this to be unfair as the original police officers did not mention about my MOT and am currently in the process of appealing it.

I understand James's frustration, but its down to the officers to start the ball rolling as the public is largely ignored on the day to day stuff these days. Which is a whole topic full of wrongness in its own right.

ACPO always used to have a strong voice that was listened to by the powers that be, so I guess its time they started to stand up for whats right, not what will keep them in a job and pension scheme. At the end of the day we pay the police's and every other fcukers wages that constantly spend their time dedicated to the soft target honest people rather than the ones who actually require some detection. i sympathise with the notion that target driven police then go after the easy targets, but frankly thats bollox. Its like saying "I only fight 14year olds because i know I can win" - its wrong, morally reprehensible and no-one with a spine should let it happen. Im sick to the back teeth of coppers laying over and saying "We have no choice" of course you do, but as usual it requires a unified voice rather than a bunch of backstabbing one-up merchants trying to get ahead by playing the rulebook which is a major factor in this pile of shyte we call a country nowadays.

The easiest way to start having an effect on traffic policing is to actually start using the police to police and office workers to do the office work. Having several million pounds worth of highly trained traffic officer sitting behind a hedge with a laser gun for 4 hours a day followed by 3 hours paperwork and perhaps an hour of probably quite gruesome carcuss sweeping up is not really the right mix is it ?? We need to get a bit old school and have a proper department for the ploice on the ground to hand in the bare basic details of crimes so that a person worth far less in terms of training and cost to the taxpayer can then spend an hour on it in an office allowing the policeman to get back out there and police !!

The thing that has pretty much worn the polices welcome matt out with most people though is this reliance on technology to catch all, which is actually a myth. It only catches the honest people, those with real registration plates on their cars, those who update their details with DVLA, those who earn a living and pay tax basically, as almost all the rest who are the real criminals know this is an easy way to get caught out, but an equally easy thing to circumvent and as such they just ignore the cameras and the traps because they get round them. I dreamt I did it myself once, when I had no choice but to go into London having to cancel my MOT test that was already a couple of days overdue. I knew I would get nabbed by the cameras, so I simply snapped the start of my number plate off so the cameras couldnt detect my full reg plate. This was in Istanbul in case anyone else reads this and in fact I think I dreamt it (how pathetic we cant even be honest any more).

I would also say that the policy of SORN and the Road Tax system is another thing that is just rediculous and needs a major look at. Being told off like a naughty schoolchild and fined because one of my 8 cars went overdue by a week for its tax disc - when it hardly ever spends time on the roads - is hugely pathetic. How can I possibly drive 8 vehicles at once, so I pay getting on for

Wooo blade rider, is there a Summary or contents for your post :P

More traffic cops and cops out on the streets..

WIth regards to the insurance, under Sec 165a of the RTA we can now seize vehicles if the driver has no driving licence or if they are driving otherwise in accorance of a licence (ie provisional driving a car with no L's and no supervisor) OR if they have no insurance!

The owner then has to produce the driving docs & pay a

pc185 wrote:More traffic cops and cops out on the streets..

I'd go along with that IF........

The officers are allowed to use their time to fight real or even provide a decent level of pro-active driver education.

I'm perfectly aware that most officers are not out to catch the driver doing 5mph over the limit most of the time (the scameras do that), but the targets to which our police force - sorry - service are required perform mean that sometimes they prosecute cases which, I'm sure the officer's own judgement would let slide with a warning.

Speed limits should be tigtened and inforced around schools and shopping areas etc, but equally the current 70mph limit on motorways is a joke. Even without the useless to$$pot middle lane hogs and those who insist on travelling at 55mph because that's what the book says is the most fuel efficient, forcing lorries to overtake at 56mph.

I would agree with pablo - new drivers banned from carrying more than 1 passenger for the first 12 months!

This country has managed to slide into a real hole when it comes to justice. Only in the UK can you be arrested for for abusing a coloured/ non christian/immigrant/whatever person ( for whatever reason - not that I would condone such) but that person CAN abuse a white, christian english person in the same way with impunity. The police are required to chase petty crime, while many ordinary people are afraid to walk the streets for fear of violence etc.

I don't for a moment lay all of this at the feet of the police officers on the ground, but I wonder how many voice real concerns and indeed how much thier masters actually listen to the men and women actually doing the job on the ground.

There was an advertising campaign not so long ago for the Police which featured the tag line "could you?" or something like. My answer would be NO - not because I couldn't do the job, but because I couldn't face the politics that goes with it.


Just my opinion


Dwayne

I take a far more simplistic view on all this ... Prisons - that's where the problem is ... well along with this sue you for arresting me culture.

National Service for all 18 - 20 year olds.
If you break the law, then more military service.
If you don't find a job out of school, then more military service.

Corporal punishment to keep down the prison population.
Hang all murderers
Castration of rapists and peodophiles and I don't mean the chemical solution.

And an eye for eye, in somali if you were to murder someone, they take out to the market tie you to a pole and allow a member of the aggrieved family to return the favour ....

Oh and legalise guns!! ... it seems to me all these terrible evil guns in the hands of crims, well most are from eastern europe, so allow me to arm myself ready

Ben thankyou for putting into print what i feared may get me into trouble for being too outspoken

well done

cheers

jason